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Reform of server rules (punishment) ?
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| Jhonny | Date: Monday, 30/01/2012, 11:04:20 | Message # 1 |
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| Yeah it another proposal by me 
Current rules
Punishment.
1st time: Warn
2nd time: Mute/Splat/Throw/etc.
3rd time: Kick
4th time: Ban
Proposed rules
1st time: Splat/Throw/etc. or in some cases, first warn (like mortar to close to own spawn, causes a lot of confusion)
2nd time: Splat and make sure that player understands. No language problems.
3rd time: Kick
4th time: Ban
Reason: I have noticed that IA admins apply the current rules differently, which leads to different results.
Some admins try to apply them and end up giving warnings to each individual and no further punishments. This results in a lot of rules-breaking by many players.
Other admins are more strict and splat immediately without warning, which exactly leads to obeying the rules by all players.
Illustration: +- a week ago, fuel dump map. Some players (allies) were wj all the time, the admin( lvl 10+) was giving many (lame)warnings (" Stop wj , I'll will splat/kick you if you do it again") but no further sanction. Since I was playing as axis, I was getting really frustrated and thinking to quit. But then another admin (lvl: less than 10) joined the game. He splat 2 players without warning, and told them after that it wasn’t allowed. Guess what ... no wj's anymore.
In case of hardcore repeaters
1time: Kick
2time: Ban
What about new players ?
Well not that long ago I was a new player and have been splat 3 times as far as I remeber.
1ste: jumping over the fence in fuel dump. It was a fence and not a wall, so i thought wj is impossible, since it is not a wall  . The admin splat me immediatly. He did explain it later.
2time: Same map, same admin. Jumping from fuel dump to roof. Splat first, got the explination later.
3time: fuel dump + different admin, dyna was planted (eng + covp) and there were like 5s from explosion. Since i was standing at depot gates and got tired of waiting, I decided to wj. The admin splat me immediatly and I didn't even get the chance of respawning, the dyna exploded. I got the explination later.
Result: currently not breaking any rules as far as I know.
For mute
1st time: First warning
2nd time: Last warning
3rd time: Mute
with regards,
Jhonny
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| Meizi | Date: Monday, 30/01/2012, 16:59:09 | Message # 2 |
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| Well, I'm sure most of our admins are doing great job, everybody just doing it differently. And yes, admins should be strict but also they should be relaxed and not so much into punishing all the time.
The Rules we got right now, I think they are just meant to be as 'intro'. They're telling the way to do, about. Firstly you should warn couple of times (usually splat is warning, since if you don't splat someone, the objective of that is ruined). And splat's can be given imo more often, once or twice. And when the guy seems to be doing it all the time, you kick him. And even you don't understand english, imo he should be understanding that what he is doing, he get punished of it and should stop it.
And in muteing, we have strict rules on it and imo admin should be strict in it.
I prefer warn once and if he repeats the rule breaking, mute for couple of mins. If he doesn't learn from it, a longer mute. And after that if he won't learn from it, I'll mute him perm. And after that if he starts to change his name for offensive names, I'll ban him perm. It's his choice how to act on server and he must to live with the consequences.
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| Weezy | Date: Monday, 30/01/2012, 17:18:33 | Message # 3 |
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u decided to break rules.Added (30/01/2012, 5:18 PM)
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btw I agree with :
Quote Punishment.
1st time: Warn
2nd time: Mute/Splat/Throw/etc.
3rd time: Kick
4th time: Ban
That's the way I do it.
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| iDalko | Date: Monday, 30/01/2012, 18:28:08 | Message # 4 |
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| All these rules that you've explained.. That's just an admins way of doing his job.
Some of us are much nicer and warn politely (first warn), and some of us splat directly and then put out the reason (i'm the second one muahaha)
My point is put out below:
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Quote +- a week ago, fuel dump map. Some players (allies) were wj all the time, the admin( lvl 10+) was giving many (lame)warnings (" Stop wj , I'll will splat/kick you if you do it again") but no further sanction. Since I was playing as axis, I was getting really frustrated and thinking to quit. But then another admin (lvl: less than 10) joined the game. He splat 2 players without warning, and told them after that it wasn’t allowed. Guess what ... no wj's anymore.
So, changing existing rules won't do any new changes, cause it's a matter of every admin here and how strictly he deals with the rulebreakers (:
I can say i'm impressed by your suggestion but.. wouldn't change much nevertheless (:
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| ShadoXzzold | Date: Monday, 30/01/2012, 19:00:30 | Message # 5 |
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| I think the rules that we have now are good enough.
yes Sometimes i do it different. I do it a little harder like in these cases:
Player with over 30/40 K XP is walljumping. I just immidiatly kick them, i dont see a reason why i should even warn people who are playing in our server for weeks/months. they should know the rules, and that they are no exeption just because they are loyal players.
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| Jhonny | Date: Tuesday, 31/01/2012, 02:33:07 | Message # 6 |
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| There were two reasons why I decided to start with this thread.
1. Frustration
To come back to the example that I gave:
Quote (Jhonny) Illustration: +- a week ago, fuel dump map. Some players (allies) were wj all the time, the admin( lvl 10+) was giving many (lame)warnings (" Stop wj , I'll will splat/kick you if you do it again") but no further sanction. Since I was playing as axis, I was getting really frustrated and thinking to quit. But then another admin (lvl: less than 10) joined the game. He splat 2 players without warning, and told them after that it wasn’t allowed. Guess what ... no wj's anymore.
It was very frustrating to play like this. Only warnings for almost 20 minutes long. First they stop wj for like 2 minutes and then continue wj again. Around 10 minutes before the end, the other admin logged in and finally solved the issue.
But as you said:
Quote (Meizi) Well, I'm sure most of our admins are doing great job, everybody just doing it differently
Quote (iDalko) So, changing existing rules won't do any new changes, cause it's a matter of every admin here and how strictly he deals with the rulebreakers (:
New rules won't change the admins with soft approach. I get it.
2. Wrong impression
While reading the rules, I thought that they should be obeyed blindly, since what comes after the punishments, gave that impression (marked). Copy paste from server rules:
Quote (Server rules)
Punishment.
1st time: Warn
2nd time: Mute/Splat/Throw/etc.
3rd time: Kick
4th time: Ban
It can happen that one of our members do not follow these rules, if this happens:
-Contact as soon as possible an officer or other higher level member.
-Tell him/her what he/she did and if it is possible send us a video or printscreen.
-You can contact us through the site (mail/PM/topic) or server.
But . . .
Quote (Meizi) The Rules we got right now, I think they are just meant to be as 'intro'.
So then it is of course pointless to change them anyway. Since they are more of a guideline for admins.
Thanks for explaining 
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| SirPsycho | Date: Tuesday, 31/01/2012, 19:43:17 | Message # 7 |
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| Helllo Jhonny, another nice suggestion and I do agree with you!
If we use a strict policy and punish rule-breaking hard(ie, splat at first try), I think players will think twice about breaking rules again.
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| Meizi | Date: Tuesday, 31/01/2012, 21:07:51 | Message # 8 |
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| Quote (SirPsycho) Helllo Jhonny, another nice suggestion and I do agree with you!
If we use a strict policy and punish rule-breaking hard(ie, splat at first try), I think players will think twice about breaking rules again
Well yeah, but if we won't lose it up a bit sometimes, players won't play there anymore if it ain't 'fun'. I know you must follow the rules, but sometimes you can give couple extra warnings just to keep the good and fun spirit at the server.
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| Marx | Date: Tuesday, 31/01/2012, 22:35:08 | Message # 9 |
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| http://wolfenstein.clan.su/index/server_rules/0-64
it is been like this for long time the 4 steps.
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| SirPsycho | Date: Tuesday, 31/01/2012, 23:24:32 | Message # 10 |
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| Quote (Meizi) Well yeah, but if we won't lose it up a bit sometimes, players won't play there anymore if it ain't 'fun'. I know you must follow the rules, but sometimes you can give couple extra warnings just to keep the good and fun spirit at the server
I agree with you when we are talking about SK or bugging, but I think walljumping should be punished severely, as it can have a great impact on games, possibly ruining them.
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| Puppet | Date: Wednesday, 01/02/2012, 13:45:21 | Message # 11 |
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| everyone should do it like me
1. A Repressive splat (repressive = stop any unwanted actions) and then a preventive warning( So they won't do it again & understand why they got splattered.)
2. kick
3. Temporary ban
4. Temporary ban/Perm ban (depends on the player itself.)
5. Permanent ban.
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| iholly | Date: Wednesday, 01/02/2012, 17:18:49 | Message # 12 |
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| Admins apply diffrent commands to how the judge the situation or how serious they think it is.. like me i dont mind swearing or messing around and i dont act on everything. I play more lax if someone wall jumps .. let em unless they do it continously.
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| Puppet | Date: Wednesday, 01/02/2012, 17:39:31 | Message # 13 |
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| Quote (Dream) I play more lax if someone wall jumps
cool i play snorlax
but dream, wj is one of the vital rules. if u just look the other way then ppl will do obj of fueldump in 30+30 seconds
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| Made | Date: Wednesday, 01/02/2012, 18:08:28 | Message # 14 |
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| I understand you, but I disagree with your suggestion.
First of all, we have this list a long time and it works perfect for us. Though we need to be more consequent on things and I will make sure that this will happen.
We won't change the rules, simply because I think it's a good way to punish. The owners and managers brainstormed long about this and we think it's the perfect way of punishment. I understand that you also want this clan to be as good as possible, but we think it's better this way. I hope you understand it.
Note: If someone is walljumping I agree with splatting him immediately, before he/she is ending the map.
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