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| djuki | Date: Saturday, 03/11/2012, 20:58:59 | Message # 1 |
 The idiot who thought he had a real life.
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| Today there was a member that called a non member a "faggot"
We as a clan will not tolerate this behavior towards other players, member or not.
He got muted by me and was a bit supriced i did so. That is why i made this topic, so you wound be suppriced when you act like this.
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djuki32: i mean now
djuki32: Lol
iA! Dime': now?Å
djuki32: yea
iA! Dime': as in u and me
djuki32: yea
djuki32: lol
iA! Dime': as in u and me and romantic dinner?
djuki32: no soory
djuki32: lool
iA! Dime': u gotta buy me flowers at least
djuki32: ok ok
djuki32: :p
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| Sherclock | Date: Saturday, 03/11/2012, 21:15:43 | Message # 2 |
 Coffee and cake specialist
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| Yeah u are right djuki but please warn first next time. He didnt like muting that much and i think its quite ridicilous to mute if someone swears once or twice and then muting him without warning.
I think this rule should not be this strict anyway. Besides if you mute everyone who swears once we end up only muted players in our server and i personally quit playing in that server if i get muted which means our server would be dead because im sure im not only one.
And im thinking same about our "only english in main" rule.
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| Twisterxz | Date: Saturday, 03/11/2012, 21:17:38 | Message # 3 |
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| ShadoXzzold | Date: Saturday, 03/11/2012, 23:42:30 | Message # 4 |
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| As I see Sherclock chooses the more 'Soft' way of handling. That's ok, but when you act too soft (like accepting swearing and talking a different language) people will move up their borders much higher, this means that conflicts will be happening more often, these conflicts need to be solved and since you can (almost) never satisfy EVERYONE, I believe we will have a lot more trouble and have to put a lot more energy AND risk in the game, as when we act strickt and a little harsh so people wont 'try us out' that easily, besides, I think there are more people who think its important that the members have controle over everything thats happening in the server, than a server where everyone can yell annything he/she wants and where the admins don't react to it. This leads to the question: 'then what's the use of admins' but thats going a little to far away from the point you were making.. (:
Sure we can be a little softer in some situations, but in the most ones I prefer the hard hand.
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Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree,
it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
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| Sherclock | Date: Sunday, 04/11/2012, 01:00:30 | Message # 5 |
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| Yeah i got softer way handling situations but only because i have found it be more effiency than harsh way.
For example there were couple weeks ago guy who used aimbot+wh in our server and i was speccing him. I simply asked nicely if he could turn off his hacks and surprise surprise he did. We played map or two after it and end of games he was saying sorry about using cheats. I wonder how many of you would straightly ban cheater instead of trying to ask if he wants to turn em off and continue playing without.
And yesterday this guy who said "die to cancer you fucking panzer noob" came into teamspeak and really liked playing with us or so it seemed when i talked with him, after you muting him and me unmuting him of course.
But im not idiot and i do realize that not everyone is nice/wise/adults but generally players in ET are surprisingly nice fellows.
But like today this one member djuki is talking about started flaming after i unmuted him, very unmature action but i wasnt expecting that coming from member when couple of random players been only thankful.  And believe me after he started flaming i was close to mute him again.
Well main idea of this topic wasnt how we should deal each situation and i dont much care how everyone does it as long as they finish it properly.
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| aZzaQer | Date: Sunday, 04/11/2012, 09:15:35 | Message # 6 |
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| the stuffiness process is very difficult for the players and they feeling they are in darkness and all printing will begin in bad words, we must from the outset when they speak other languages or bad words we warn them before we did something very strange and and they'ill diminish their respect for us!
and this is the only solution to ensure our popularity on the server XD don't tread them harshly... they are just a players!
and by this way we could appreciated to recruit them from the server , and i'll make some binds for that.. it's only for declaration!
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| ShadoXzzold | Date: Sunday, 04/11/2012, 10:09:26 | Message # 7 |
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| About the hacker, that's just not okay to me, maybe he was the smart guy by turning it off untill you were gone, and turns it on again..
The guy I muted was just going to far for me, I don't accept that since ive seen too much close ones go because of it.
Wether you care about it or not, you were flipping too when greenfire called asshole.
And I was the one who unmuted him, 100% sure.
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| HB-Orange | Date: Sunday, 04/11/2012, 11:10:37 | Message # 8 |
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| Im totaly on djuki's side this time. As a member you should act mature. Saying faggot to an non-member, that's just not good. Members should be polite or?  And it's clear that we don't mute every1 if he says bitch/cunt/whatever... he get's warned.
To warn an member? hmm... - he knows how we should behave against our visitors.
Imo mute was a good call.
take care, marko
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| aZzaQer | Date: Sunday, 04/11/2012, 13:17:32 | Message # 9 |
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| the right member should know how to dealing with visitors or old players with special treatment!
you shouldn't using directly 'mute' cmd to someone and then their reactions will be decent!
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| BloodyMary | Date: Sunday, 04/11/2012, 20:07:59 | Message # 10 |
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| I read a few comments but I'm too busy to read all. Though there are a few things I'd like to say.
First of all,
Quote (Sherclock) He didnt like muting that much and i think its quite ridicilous to mute if someone swears once or twice and then muting him without warning.
Yes, I bet he didn't like the muting, but he deserved it! I don't think there is a warning needed in situations which are completely obvious!
Mind you, there is a difference between swearing and insulting people. And if you someone faggot, that to me certainly sounds as an insult. If I were in Djuki's case, I would have muted this member, too!
Quote (Sherclock) But like today this one member djuki is talking about started flaming after i unmuted him, very unmature action but i wasnt expecting that coming from member when couple of random players been only thankful. And believe me after he started flaming i was close to mute him again.
That only shows what kind of person the muted member is. The mute was earned, he should have reflected on what he did instead of raging unreasonably.
Quote (Sherclock) Besides if you mute everyone who swears once
As I mentioned, there is a huuuuuuge difference between swearing once or twice (which could be tolerated but still the person should be warned to at least try to behave as a intelligent human being) and insulting people.
Also, I don't think this is the "harsh" way of handling the issue, it is the firm way of doing so
Quote (Sherclock) And im thinking same about our "only english in main" rule.
As Shadox also said, I think that would cause more harm than good. If someone wants to speak their native language, there is a tool to do so - use PM. The only English rule worked good until now and I don't see any reason to change it
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<01:59:54> "Sherclock": im socially awkward penguin
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| JeeTz | Date: Sunday, 04/11/2012, 20:22:23 | Message # 11 |
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| Quote (Sherclock) I wonder how many of you would straightly ban cheater instead of trying to ask if he wants to turn em off and continue playing without.
I did this ALOOOT of times!  sometimes they immdiately left and yes sometimes they stayed This is a fun way of handling cheaters, they are really surprised!
I only got 1 thing to say about this subject:
Keep it Fun & Fair for everybody.
Rage used to call it:
"Handle everybody how you want to be handled urself"
Tho this is not totally correct, if you like urself being noobcalled etc, you shouldnt use this rule, use the one above instead!
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Sherclock: "im socially awkward pinguin"
Dime: "atleast I get huge satisfaction from abusing jeup"
3AHED: "download speed 1 kb/sec.. dman no porns tonight"
Rag3: "maybe you noobs dont know that i know that you think i dont know you can see me recording"
Peace: "You'll pay an aircraft carrier for doing a fishing..."
#IA|Tomasz: you titty suckin' two balled bitch with a fat green lip
#IA|Tomasz: are you here?
#IA|GreenFire: i cant be with grilfriends
#IA|GreenFire: i like more to.. u know
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| Sherclock | Date: Sunday, 04/11/2012, 21:16:24 | Message # 12 |
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| Quote (JT) I did this ALOOOT of times! sometimes they immdiately left and yes sometimes they stayed This is a fun way of handling cheaters, they are really surprised!
Yes and never i had problems with any of them.
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| MANTELi | Date: Monday, 05/11/2012, 11:07:03 | Message # 13 |
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| I think I'll go with (or to) Mary. She definetily has a point in there, but if person swears only few times randomly he/she shouldn't be punished but if it continues then of course. But you can say instead of doing something if it's only a random case. And if someone wants to speak another language than English then use PM, but if it's just a random shout it doesn't matter if it's a different language or not. But if someone actually wants to speak there all the time then use either fireteam chat or PM.
But Mary has a point and I follow her!
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| Sherclock | Date: Monday, 05/11/2012, 11:23:44 | Message # 14 |
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| Quote (Manteli) but if person swears only few times randomly he/she shouldn't be punished but if it continues then of course. But you can say instead of doing something if it's only a random case. And if someone wants to speak another language than English then use PM, but if it's just a random shout it doesn't matter if it's a different language or not. But if someone actually wants to speak there all the time then use either fireteam chat or PM.
So you both are thinking exactly same way as i am. Only difference is that im not "attacking" everyone like a gestapo after they said couple of bad words but i try to talk them first and see if they wanna change their attitude.
But i see your point that members should know rules and therefore muting wasn't that bad choise but i prefer talking instead of action.
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| bOEMKLATs | Date: Monday, 05/11/2012, 11:53:45 | Message # 15 |
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| Well 'Frankie' was pushing me and his teammembers, and he did not stop doing that. With the new server settings i can't warn him or do sth else. So i told him to stop in chat, but he didn't. It's like he knows I can't do much about it.
Because he kept doing that, my reaction was 'stop pushing faggot' (maybe too hard). Sorry for that!
Than Djuki is reacting furious and mutes me immediatly. Result: I am getting punished, and 'Frankie' is still doing his thing. Next I get unmuted by another member. I tell Djuki that he did not had to react like that. And that same member tells me: 'STFU |@|#{[ç?ç! ..'. And I am thinking, is that the good way to react in public to a member?
I think it's very stupid to be harsh in public to members.. Handle it in pm. Non members are laughing with members if they do.. If Djuki said to me that I don't have to talk like that, I would say sorry. Problem was solved!
Quote (Sherclock) So you both are thinking exactly same way as i am. Only difference is that im not "attacking" everyone like a gestapo after they said couple of bad words but i try to talk them first and see if they wanna change their attitude.
+1 Sherlock!
This is my side of the story. Whole other view of the situation.
But I don't wanne talk anymore about it. I don't care about it tbh.
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