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| HB-Orange | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 09:59:14 | Message # 17 |
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| Quote (Sherclock) quoteQuote :
i like the knew rules, and i am gonna be very kind/nice to sherlock :P
Sher your the best player in the et world (sher please not read what comes next) (Not)
Oh but everyone is already always so nice towards me, except karis which i have to live with. And i know i got good aim in this game, you dont necessarily need to tell that to me altho it is always pleasure to hear compliment so thank you for that. smile
C'mon, get out of Sher's ass already...
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| Sherclock | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 12:59:35 | Message # 18 |
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| Quote C'mon, get out of Sher's ass already...
Lol like he meant it seriously.  Added (21/10/2012, 12:59 PM)
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Im gonna be quite straight here but still try to write politely, hopefully i manage in that.
So i dont see what you officers are whining about. Okay, you are not officers anymore, was that title cool or something, i dont know and i dont care, probably didnt help you get laid.
Mainpoint is what did you ever do for our clan? Well i can answer: NOTHING, only ones who sometimes comments something wise is shadoxz and fosgen.
Puppet keeps commenting something unpleasant and unnecessary shit who only makes me or someone else angry, wiking used to come a lot to me after you commenting some bullshit you normally do.
Zletozen, on my opinion we dont need officer who thinks he does much but truth is that you actually never do anything. You never tell us your opinions, maybe you dont have one when its obvious we dont need you as officer. Or maybe you just share same opinion as someone else but in that case you could at least support that guy saying like "I agree with mandula". Would show some activity from your apart at least.
I bet manteli has commented more in forums in past month than you in two years or what ever u been in.
If someone else who is officer has something against our newest decisions, I beg and pray, please think have you actually ever done anything for this clan? And if you have think if it had something to do with groups and now when groups are gone do you still think you would be useful.
Think those two things above and if you still find yourself important part of clan leading please i would like to hear why you would be so needed.
Thank you for reading
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| MANTELi | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 14:04:43 | Message # 19 |
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| Quote (Sherclock) Im gonna be quite straight here but still try to write politely, hopefully i manage in that.
+1
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| Zletozen | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 14:12:38 | Message # 20 |
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| Quote (HB-Orange) Zletozen, on my opinion we dont need officer who thinks he does much but truth is that you actually never do anything. You never tell us your opinions, maybe you dont have one when its obvious we dont need you as officer. Or maybe you just share same opinion as someone else but in that case you could at least support that guy saying like "I agree with mandula". Would show some activity from your apart at least.
I bet manteli has commented more in forums in past month than you in two years or what ever u been in.
At last truth is uncovered!
The fact is that I have a job which takes time and I read forum every night despite of that!
I don't think that I did much things in our clan but at least I did what I could speaking with friends I made here!
You have done good and great things these past months, that is a fact!
But sometimes decisions have to be made in democracy not just between managers.
Don't get me wrong I'm not angry or anything, I just express myself!
You wanted a member who expresses his opinion, well here I am. Perhaps I didn't comment on evevrything but, in subjects I would like to talk, I was here writing stuff!
But if you think that you don't need me anymore as a member then I should leave this clan!
Hope I get understood here.
Ps: And I'm not writing only for the officers case!
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| Sherclock | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 14:59:37 | Message # 21 |
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| Quote But if you think that you don't need me anymore as a member then I should leave this clan!
We definitely need you as member! Dont get this wrong.
We just dont need 8 useless officers who actually never did anything, not that its your fault but there just simply aint any jobs for you to do.
So lets stop talking bullshit here and tell us what of our decisions were shit in this announcement?
- Manteli's quick promo?
- Recruitment changing?
- Server name?
- Organizing management team?
- Me taking care of promotions?
- Or this "promotion of clan"?
- Or officer thing?
Please tell me your honest opinion, dont worry im not afraid of cursing words either so express yourself as you like.  Everyone feel free to let us managers know whats fucked up this time!
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| MANTELi | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 17:28:25 | Message # 22 |
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| Sher didn't tell at any point that this clan wouldn't need all of our active members. This is about the officers for who we have no jobs. And why we decided to that every officer will be "demoted" back as a member is simply that everyone can have a chance to make an apply for a recruitment officer tasks. But like somebody asked why we didn't discuss about this with officers is because officers main job was to handle the groups which we don't have anymore. In my opinion the previous officers has a good history and they've been officers before - no matter it was kind of a different job but anyways.
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| Zletozen | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 18:20:31 | Message # 23 |
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| As I told you it's not only about the officer's case!
If I answer your two questions sher, I have nothing left to do as an officer! On this point we're ok!
What I think is strange, is that you speak together and then we have a recap in which we can't go against apparently! That's all!
I know you're about to tell me that this is managers' task to do these changes but I,and maybe I'm not the only one, would like to discuss things between all members!
I've been here since 2 years as you said and yes I wanted some changes and you've done some very well! But I would like to be more into it and maybe all other members too!
Officer job was to be the link between managers and members and if we only have managers and members (who are not asked about evrything) we can't approve everything!
Maybe this has to change instead of just create a subject telling what were the discussions...
We are a clan and not a company!
Once again, I have nothing against you all and nothing against these subjects of your first message sher!
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| HB-Orange | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 21:35:53 | Message # 24 |
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| Quote (Sherclock) Im gonna be quite straight here but still try to write politely, hopefully i manage in that.
So i dont see what you officers are whining about
Fail :P 
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| Sherclock | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 22:41:55 | Message # 25 |
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| Well zletozen now you are talking something that makes sense but you must understand that if we start asking every members opinion in this community deciding will take like half of month in every single matter.
Ofc I dont see problem there if managers make some shit decision and everyone else is against it, in that case im sure talking with "everyone" in topic would be best.
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| Zletozen | Date: Sunday, 21/10/2012, 23:04:17 | Message # 26 |
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| I quite understand that sher!
Happy to see that you understood me!
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| Sherclock | Date: Monday, 22/10/2012, 00:28:42 | Message # 27 |
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| Quote Something I don't understand is why you didn't speak with us officers about that?
Quote Don't really know but seems like decisions are taken fast and, without hurting anybody, by only managers...
Yea sorry about that it took so long but really these two comments i couldnt quite get what you actually meant. Well now looking backwards its quite obvious but.
Quote As I told you it's not only about the officer's case!
If I answer your two questions sher, I have nothing left to do as an officer! On this point we're ok!
What I think is strange, is that you speak together and then we have a recap in which we can't go against apparently! That's all!
I know you're about to tell me that this is managers' task to do these changes but I,and maybe I'm not the only one, would like to discuss things between all members!
I've been here since 2 years as you said and yes I wanted some changes and you've done some very well! But I would like to be more into it and maybe all other members too!
Officer job was to be the link between managers and members and if we only have managers and members (who are not asked about evrything) we can't approve everything!
Maybe this has to change instead of just create a subject telling what were the discussions...
We are a clan and not a company!
Once again, I have nothing against you all and nothing against these subjects of your first message sher!
This is pretty much when i knew what you actually meant. I guess im just idiot not to understand it before.  Well its good things got clear.
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| JeeTz | Date: Monday, 22/10/2012, 01:02:08 | Message # 28 |
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| There actually didnt change much for everybody, only for the managers. They got a job now.
Unfortunately we didnt had any "jobs" for our officers anymore since we removed the groups.
So because of that we decided to remove the officers level. Tho this level will remain in our levellist because we might need some officers in future.
But for now there is no need of keeping an officer.
To get to the point of democracy, we do have democracy in the clan. Lots of things are decided by all the members and we also dont have only 1 person on top leading the clan. This is done by a management team.
Some things just wont be discussed by everybody since it will take to much time to handle it.
Ofcourse we try to not let this happen alot, but the turbulent situations we are in now, just forces us to do so.
Keep in mind that we discuss everything and REALLY think about what every member would think.
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| aZzaQer | Date: Thursday, 25/10/2012, 09:35:42 | Message # 30 |
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| i think we can change the officers job , the managers cant do all these things alone..
the officers jobs can provide some tips and additional proposals, give us some suggestions , or just opinions when it's needed , dialogue with others and giving the best for all to participate
in some things to become this clan by an integrated and consistent
the officers jobs is important for us to doing something else and that's good for building our clan
greeting ...
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Message edited by aZzaQer - Thursday, 25/10/2012, 09:38:13 |
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and now its removed 
